|CARLIN ISLES| People remember me because I was a different kid. I didn't go to school dances, I didn't go to prom. I used to be up five o'clock in the morning running hills. I didn't want to let a gift of mine go to waste.
|NICK BRIGHT| Welcome to Beyond the Ordinary from Red Bull. I'm Nick Bright. And this is where we introduce you to the people pushing the boundaries of sport, adventure, gaming, culture and so much more. Today we're bringing you the incredible story of one man's quest to be extraordinary.
|CARLIN ISLES| What if I became the world's fastest rugby player? What if I inspire many people around the world and show them you can do anything you put your mind to?
|NICK BRIGHT| So he once raced against some of the fastest sprinters in history, and famously said no to the NFL.
|CARLIN ISLES| My heart really ain't in it like it used to be. And I said: "What, I'm going to stay for the money? Is that the right thing to do?" You know, I said: "Here I was blessed to be able to inspire so many people around the world. And I'm going to sacrifice all that for what?"
|NICK BRIGHT| And in 2021, he's set to shine on the greatest stage of all.
|RUPERT COX| If they can go to Tokyo and win an Olympic medal, rugby will explode in America and Carlin will be right at the heart of that.
|NICK BRIGHT| He's known as the fastest rugby player on the planet. And he's always pushing the limits. Carlin Isles is ‘beyond the ordinary’. Like all good sporting stories, Carlin Isles is in many ways an underdog. But unlike others I can think of, Carlin Isles is also a shape-shifter. He's tried on many guises in his sporting career - college record breaker, track and field wannabe, American footballer – before he came to where he is today: a rugby sevens superstar.
|CARLIN ISLES| I love rugby. I'm able to express myself. That's one thing that I love the most is be able to express myself. When I run fast on that field, there's nothing like it. I feel on top of the world. And nothing matters. I feel like, man, I'm using my gift, and my gift is running fast. There's nothing like the sport, man. And it found me and embraced me. I love it, man.
|RUPERT COX| It's fast, it's furious, it's fun. Less players, less set piece, sevens is beauty and it's simplicity.
|NICK BRIGHT| Rugby sevens, the sport that Carlin said found him. If you've never watched sevens or you don't know too much about it, here's commentator Rupert Cox to explain.
|RUPERT COX| Sevens players are Olympic athletes. You can't play elite sevens if you're not an elite athlete. When rugby sevens became an Olympic sport – the real game changer for the players – everybody had to upskill their strength and conditioning to get to a place where they could go to that high intensity environment in a sevens match that they weren't really used to going to before because the game became so much more competitive. And now, one of the reasons some players in the 15-a-side game don't play sevens is because they know it's just too tough.
|CARLIN ISLES| Rugby sevens to me, man, is a fast-paced game. It's explosive. It's exciting, non-stop action. There's always something going on. You can't really leave for long, because you might miss all the action. But man, there's no sport like it.
|NICK BRIGHT| An American playing rugby sevens, this must be a huge rarity. It's not the biggest sport over there, is it?
|CARLIN ISLES| No, not at all, man, it's definitely not. So, especially when I first started, I didn't know much about it at all. So, now it's grown rapidly in the US. But it's not our first love like it is in other places.
|NICK BRIGHT| As Rupert and Carlin said, rugby sevens is fast and furious. So in many ways it's a game that's perfectly suited to someone like Carlin. But, just how fast is he?
|RUPERT COX| There'd been quite a lot of talk about him, you know, this track athlete that had run a personal best of 10.13 for the 100 and almost made the USA, London 2012 Olympic team. They put the speed radar on him and he's got up to around 36 miles per hour, which is pretty fast running. And when you're pitch side, ground level, and see Carlin get the ball and run, it's kind of unbelievable because they're all really fast, all of a play-- you can't play sevens, even the forwards are wingers in 15s, right, so they're all lightning quick. Carlin is about three yards faster than all of them. And that's when I kind of realised, "Oh, wow, this guy's something else."
|NICK BRIGHT| So how does a kid from Ohio in America, where, as we've heard, the sport isn't that big, grow up to become the world's fastest rugby player? Carlin takes up his own story.
|CARLIN ISLES| Everything, especially my childhood to now, I've done a lot of it on my own as far as the mental part. And the hardest thing is the mind, you know, conquering the mind. And a lot of people don't know how to conquer the mind. They suppress things. They don't deal with things. And for me, I've been alone in a road that I feel like the loneliness will always be a part of me because it made me who I am, because it made me understand myself, it made me understand life, it made me understand people, it made me face the things that were difficult. I had to face it. Because if I didn't face it, my destination or my outcome wouldn't have been what it is now. And for me, I had to go through the wall. I had to. But most people hit a wall and they sit down and they just look at the wall. But I had to find a way to go through it. And I've always been like that. I had to because I know what was at stake if I didn't climb it, if I didn't go through it.
|NICK BRIGHT| Well, just on, you know, you mentioned there growing up and loneliness. What was that loneliness, Carlin? Because your story is inspiring. I think people need to hear it. So just tell us about your childhood.
|CARLIN ISLES| Man, when I was a child, I got a twin sister. And one day, her and I were in the yard and, you know, a bunch of cops came and they took my twin and I away. But growing up prior to that, you know, we were living in homeless shelters, we were living in a car, and we were struggling. And they took us from my mother, you know, place us in the foster home. I remember the first foster home, they hit me with a belt with the metal part. They made me stand there and they swung the belt at my face. And then they made my twin and I fight. And then we got removed from there. We went to another foster home for like a day. And then we went to another one. And then another one. I used to run away from home because I hated that. And I used to pray and say: "God, please get me out of here." And I used to have to fight to protect my twin and I. I had to literally fight. I remember one day I was out outside and a ring of people came and I was fighting the people in the house, you know. And, you know, they made my twin and I fight. We had to eat dog food. And, you know, I couldn't read, I couldn't write when I was younger. I struggled. And that battle there was, man, was scarring. And I just wanted out. Because I knew if I stayed in that environment, I'd probably be dead or in jail because the way the circumstances were and the way that our upbringing at that time was, and it was bad. It was bad. And I always knew my objective and what I wanted to be and become in life. And it wasn't easy. And I'm telling you, man, it's difficult because-- you know, I kept a dream and a vision alive for so long, when I found out when I was eight years old that I was fast and I had a gift and I honed that gift from when I was eight until nine, I'm still the same way. And people remember me by the things that I used to do that was ordinarily different because I was a different kid. I did things-- I didn't go to school dances, I didn't go to prom. I used to be up five o'clock in the morning running hills, chasing school buses. I was just so driven and focused because I didn't want to be, you know, just a statistic. I didn't want to let a gift of mine go to waste. And I remember when I first, you know, started playing sports at eight years old, my dad said, I remember he said: "If you're the fastest, don't ever let nobody beat you." And I worked my tail off. And I used to run up the hills in snow, working out over and over and over and over again just so I can be fast. And, for me, I've always had to overcome stuff. I remember I was younger and people said I was too small. They doubted me. I always had to deal with doubt. People doubted me, thought I was too small, this and that. And I proved people wrong. And it made me strong. And ever since then, I just made a fight on my life.
|NICK BRIGHT| Carlin's upbringing was tough, but he was tougher.
|CARLIN ISLES| There's no way I should be where I'm at today. There's no way. There's no way, I'm telling you, no way. But I knew what I could do. And I knew that I had to fight, because if I stopped, then I would let the fear that I always feared come true. Fear drove me. That's one thing that drove me: fear. And I remember one thing that always helped me was Rocky. I used to watch Rocky movies because he came up from nothing, but he was a fighter. And that's how I was. I related myself to Rocky. And so whatever life came at me, I try to put it at the right perspective, because I knew I had a gift and I wanted to show people that, you know, you can't be like everybody else when you have a gift, you got to be different.
|NICK BRIGHT| Carlin was different. He was gifted and he was and is very, very fast. In school and college he became a star in his American football team. He also held records in the 100, 200 and 400 metres and was one of the fastest sprinters in the whole of America. And back then, the young Carlin had one goal, the Olympics. At that time, the road to the Games seemed laid out on the track.
|BIANCA KNIGHT| Hi, I'm Bianca Knight, I am the Olympic world record holder at the 4x100 metres and I am a mom.
|NICK BRIGHT| So, Bianca, when did you first meet Carlin? Talk to me about that day or that moment. Do you remember it vividly?
|BIANCA KNIGHT| I cannot remember the exact date that Carlin came to us, it was a long time ago. But I do remember that Mike Rodgers trained with us at the time, who was a 100-metre sprinter, and he wanted to train with him. We just showed up one day and I was here, and he did just kind of look our group up on the internet and was like, "Okay, cool, I think I'll go down there and train with him."
|NICK BRIGHT| It could be quite intimidating, I think. I mean I don't know for a fact, because I'm not an elite level athlete at all, I wish I was, but it could be quite intimidating, I guess, if you're somebody joining a new group. But not only, you know, you mentioned there, Olympic level, elite-level group you guys were, so, you know, the fact that he just came in and felt like part of the family is testament to his personality, I guess.
|BIANCA KNIGHT| It is, it is. Carlin came in and he didn't look out of place, he didn't act out of place. Basically treated the sport and treated everything as if, you know, it was his as well, you know, like, "This is what I'm trying to do and what I'm trying to accomplish," and he came out and he worked hard every single day. And training worked out well for him. So I'm not surprised that he's doing so well in rugby.
|NICK BRIGHT| How fast is he, then?
|BIANCA KNIGHT| He is very fast. He could keep up like-- and he's actually one of those crazy fast, it's just like, "Really, like, you just come out here, you want to do this and you're so good at it. Like, you're so good at it." And he was excellent for Mike Rodgers and everybody else that he trained with, because he pushed them to the wire every single day. So, it wasn't one of those situations where he was so far behind them and, you know, he wasn't like an asset to them. Like, no, he definitely helped them become better athletes as well by training alongside him, because he's so consistent and he worked so hard.
|NICK BRIGHT| Bianca Knight won a gold medal in London 2012. And that might have been Carlin's destiny too, had it not been for rugby, a sport that he'd never even heard of.
|BIANCA KNIGHT| He YouTubed some stuff and he was like, "Oh, this looks interesting." And one day he was telling us, "Hey, guys, I'm leaving today. I'm headed to go try out for this rugby team." I was like, "Carlin, really? Do you know where you're going to stay? You're just getting in the car and driving?" He's like, "Yeah, but they said that I might be really good at it, so I'm just going to go." And it's just amazing to see. I think he was dubbed like the ‘fastest man in rugby’ and all the stuff that he's doing, it's just like, dang, that's crazy. If they only knew that he just YouTubed this and he just jumped on it without knowing anything about it.
|CARLIN ISLES| I never watched it, but they said: "Come play rugby, I think you'd be good." And I was like, "Rugby, what is that?" And he's like, "It's like football with no pads." And I said: "No, I'm not getting my teeth knocked out. I'm cool." And I didn't pay no attention into it at all until 2012 came. I always remember I was two weeks from trials, trying to chase a dream, here's my dream right there and I could smell it. I had $500 at the time and I had to be real with myself. And a lot of people aren't real with themselves. I said: "I've been running professionally at this level for like maybe a year and a year-and-a-half." I said: "I got four years left. If I don't make it, then I got four years of the grinding and the struggle." I was like maybe 21, 22 at the time. And I said: "I want more for myself," you know. I said when I started watching rugby, I clicked it on the internet, I remember, and I started watching it and I said: "What if I became the world's fastest rugby player?" "But what if I inspire many people around the world and show them you can do anything you put your mind to?" And I saw it all through rugby. But it was a gamble, because here I am, if this doesn't work out, I'm screwed. And I remember I got on the internet who to contact, you know, the CEO at the time and I emailed him. I didn't think nothing about it and I was like, "God, if this is what you want me to do, give me a sign and direction." He called me. Four days later I packed up all my stuff, I moved up to Aspen, Colorado where I was playing for a club there. I drove up there, I had $500, spent 215 on gas, I was sleeping on the couches, eating peanut butter and jelly, working in a flower shop and then doing some construction. And I said: "Bro, I got to make it." But the crazy part is, before I left Texas with the training group I was with there with Michael Rodgers, Bianca Knight, I said: "I'll see you in 2016 Olympics." I told them that before I left. And people thought I was crazy. People thought, you know, me doing rugby, they thought it was crazy. But the thing is they didn't see what I saw. I was going to make them see what I saw, everybody.
|NICK BRIGHT| It's all very well having the strength of mind and faith to pursue your dreams. But it's another thing altogether to play a sport you've never played before at the highest level. Let's bring in Jack Nowell, a professional rugby union player and England international.
|JACK NOWELL| People that come from other sports into the game of rugby, it doesn't happen that often, to be honest. You know, even players coming from rugby league to rugby union, that is very difficult in itself. But then to come from a completely different other sport is very rare. I couldn't imagine starting rugby and being picked up for your national side a few months later just because of how quickly he must have taken it. But obviously going from one sport to another, which is completely different, you know, to go from athletics to then a ball game where you've got to chuck a ball around, but then you've also got to tackle, you know, it takes great skill to do that. But, you know, he's obviously a phenomenal athlete to be able to pick that up quickly and to then achieve what he's achieved so far.
|CARLIN ISLES| About a month of playing rugby, I got invited to a USA Development Tour in Canada. My head coach was going to be there. I said: “This is my shot.” Let me mind you, during that month I worked my butt off to be the best that I can be. People don't even know I was playing rugby for about a month. I went up there, and there's a group of guys who've been playing all their life. I was there one month, only playing rugby one month. I got invited to the tour, toured up there, got a contract the next day. Boom, I got a contract with the USA rugby team, moved to San Diego. Everything that I wanted came true, plus more. And I knew it's crazy, because it's a feeling that you know and it's hard to describe, because it's the circumstances-- doesn't look like it, but you know that it's going to happen, you know that if you keep pushing regardless, it's meant for you. But you got to go looking. You have to keep looking. Because you know why? It was behind a wall. It was in the dark. But it was waiting for me. It said: "Do you trust me? Are you willing to work regardless of the circumstances? Can you find me?" And the voice was there. It was like, "Come find me. I'm here." And bam, life changed like that.
|NICK BRIGHT| Isles made his debut for his national team in October 2012, taking on the mighty New Zealand. Carlin scored a try within a minute of being on the pitch. Sevens commentator Rupert Cox remembers the first time he saw him play.
|RUPERT COX| It was 2012 at the Gold Coast Sevens and we were covering the event for Sky back in studio in London overnight, and some of those overnight shifts can be pretty difficult, pretty graveyard with the time zone difference. And I remember Carlin scoring his first try, and he gets the ball and he runs around the outside, beats about three or four defenders, could have put it down on the corner, didn't bother, beat another few to bring it round under the posts and had his tongue hanging out. And you just thought, "Wow!" And I think Nigel Starmer-Smith was commentating at the time. And Nigel used to play rugby for England. I think his quote was: "My goodness me, how I would have loved to have been as quick as that!" It was a real stand up or get out of your seat and think: "Wow, we've seen something special here." But if we're being honest, he wasn't a complete rugby player. I mean, how could he be? He'd hardly played the game before. What's extraordinary about Carlin Isles is how he's developed since then and become one of the best rugby sevens players on the planet.
|NICK BRIGHT| News of Carlin's exploits on the rugby field soon spread with video clips of his tries going viral. But that isn't the end of the story for the world's fastest rugby player. Because at this point Carlin caught the eye of NFL team the Detroit Lions, who offered him a contract. And we got to be honest, not many people say no to the NFL.
|CARLIN ISLES| What, everybody thought I was crazy. Everybody. Boy, they are like, "What's wrong with you?" But, you know, I tried it and I was like, "My heart really ain't in it like it used to be." And I said: "What, I'm going to stay for the money? Is that the right thing to do?" You know, I said: "Here I was blessed to be able to inspire so many people around the world. I became the world's fastest rugby player, a dream, and I'm going to sacrifice all that for what? Money? Just to say I'm in NFL?" And when I looked at things from the right view and the right perspective, I said: "I could probably get hurt tomorrow playing football and they'd release me and I'll never be here again. And then all of that for what? Because I was chasing the wrong things." So I said: "You know what, my goal was to go to the Olympics." I was blessed with all this stuff, so that's what I'm supposed to be. Not here. There. And I have to be disciplined in that and have the right intentions. And bam, paid off.
|MIKE FRIDAY| Hi, there. I'm Mike Friday. I'm the USA men's rugby sevens head coach. His commitment, his focus to being the best he can is relentless. That coupled with this mental resilience and resolve that he has, probably born from the experiences he's had through life, create the man that he is. And I think what makes Carlin extra special is that everything Carlin has done, he's done in front of the camera. He hasn't done behind closed doors and learned his trade. Every mistake he's made, every time he's got it wrong, he's had to do it in front of the cameras on the World Series. I think that's a credit to the guy both physically, but also mentally to stay in that fight and stay focused on the job in hand.
|NICK BRIGHT| I wanted to ask you about the Olympic experience actually. Can you remember the moment the US team qualified for the Olympics in Rio?
|MIKE FRIDAY| Yeah, I can. Yeah, we were down in Charlotte, North Carolina, it was an oven. Ultimately we always knew it was going to be a one-off game against us against Canada in the final. And it was one of those kind of performances of grit, resilience and accuracy, execution that, you know, you dream for at the most important time. And they did it. There was a lot of relief when that final whistle went. I distinctly remember Carlin just dropping to his knees because you could just see that he got there, he'd done it. He knew that he had a shot of going to Olympics now and it was now within his grasp and his gift to work towards playing in the Olympic Games.
|CARLIN ISLES| I remember I called one of my good friends, Chris Maggiore, because he believed in me. And all I wanted was somebody to believe in me. And I cried and said: "I did it," because it was tough.
|NICK BRIGHT| Carlin and his USA team had made it to the biggest stage of all, but fate nearly ruled him out of the very thing he'd worked so hard for. His coach Mike Friday takes up the story.
|MIKE FRIDAY| Carlin again had had to overcome some huge issues just before the tournament, because in our final warm-up we were playing New Zealand, he suffered a horrendous injury to his knee. He got thrown into a golf cart on the side of the pitch that was poorly parked and cut both his knees open, that knee kind of deep stitching. It was a tough two weeks for Carlin in the lead into the Olympics, because he had to deal with the stitches and whether or not would he be fit or would he not be fit, would he be able to go to the Olympics or would he have to withdraw. You know, he rode that roller coaster and I think a lot of young men would have struggled. But, again, Carlin's mental resilience and his strength and his focus to stay on-task and stick to the plan to try and get himself where he needed to get to, pulled him through and, you know, Carlin played a huge part in the tournament. And it was even more remarkable considering what he'd had to deal with for the three weeks leading up.
|CARLIN ISLES| I was almost telling myself I'm fine with me not going. I qualified, I did it even though the circumstances happened, I'm fine with not going. I'm glad I went. Eventually, like, I went, but I didn't think I was to. It was so bad. It was bad.
|NICK BRIGHT| It's almost like you don't take no for an answer.
|CARLIN ISLES| I sure don't. Oh, no, I don't take no for an answer because I'm a dog and I'm a fighter, I know what I want, I'ma get it. How I'm going to get it, I'ma find a way.
|NICK BRIGHT| Despite his injuries, Carlin did find a way to make it to Rio, his Olympic dream finally becoming a reality.
|CARLIN ISLES| The experience was great, because, you know, I was on a bus, you know, talking to Serena Williams, you know, on the bus talking to, you know, all the NBA guys, people I looked up to or saw on TV. And here I am there with the best in the world. I was looking at Usain Bolt warming up, looking at, I'm like, "I'm right here videoing them. Boom, boom, boom. I'm right here." Like, "Carlin, you are here, you did it!" All that pain and suffering and fighting, it paid off. It was surreal, man, 'cause I did it. I did it. I painted my picture I wanted to paint it.
|PERRY BAKER| My name is Perry Baker, and I play wing for the USA sevens programme. I've known Carlin since I came into the programme, which was back in 2014. And he was just a stand-up guy from the moment I came in. I'm sitting on the bus and Carlin-- me and Carlin, we always were together, we're sitting side by side on the bus and here comes Serena William on the bus and there's no seat. Before anything can happen, Carlin just stops everything. He's like, "Serena, you can sit here with me. You can see her with me." So he slides in and she sits right down with him. I just started laughing so hard though. Like, just getting in the same village with everyone who has one goal and that's to win medals for your country and it's just so cool, something you can't dream of. If Carlin was to listen to this podcast, I'm pretty sure he is, I just got a message to ask him is: "Who's faster than you?" He always has a saying: "Nobody's faster than me."
|NICK BRIGHT| The Eagles may not have won gold in 2016, but Carlin's popularity soared and he earned a lot of fans along the way – according to Rupert Cox.
|RUPERT COX| Carlin was a headline act, there's no doubt about it. I mean people went to the sevens to watch Carlin Isles. And people like him who have something different, not only his natural talents that he's been gifted with, but also his personality. You know, he turns up wearing karate kid headbands, you know, and World Rugby had to give him special dispensation to wear his bright red headband once. I mean, he does things like that. He's an eccentric. He's a personality. He's got charisma. And sport needs those kind of people.
|NICK BRIGHT| Four years on for Isles and his team-mates, all eyes are on Tokyo. But Carlin's not content with competing in just rugby sevens this time around.
|CARLIN ISLES| No, sir. I'm trying to do two sports.
|NICK BRIGHT| Most of us would give our right arm to be even half decent at one sport. And you're like, "Yeah, I'm just trying to go to the greatest show on Earth for two sports."
|CARLIN ISLES| Yeah, two sports, baby.
|NICK BRIGHT| That is mad. So what two-- I'm guessing rugby sevens and what, track and field?
|CARLIN ISLES| Yeah.
|NICK BRIGHT| What's your distance in track and field?
|CARLIN ISLES| So I'm gonna do 100.
|NICK BRIGHT| There's no stopping this guy, honestly.
|CARLIN ISLES| No, sir. Just stay curious. Whatever y'all do, be curious because that's how you grow.
|NICK BRIGHT| If there's anyone who can take on two different events in Tokyo, it's Carlin. So says his former track and field training partner Bianca Knight.
|BIANCA KNIGHT| For Carlin, yes. With his work ethic, I'm pretty sure he's researched how to do it. He probably knows the time frame in between, what he's going to need to do to recover. I'm pretty sure he has all the information that he needs and he's working towards achieving those goals. If anything, he's going to try. He's going to try. He's probably going to be really close if he does not achieve making both teams.
|NICK BRIGHT| And despite all he's achieved so far, there's still more to come from Carlin Isles, according to his coach Mike Friday.
|MIKE FRIDAY| To represent your country in the Olympics, especially for an American, is just a phenomenal achievement. But if we can go there and perform and continue to be at the forefront in the world game, as an unfashionable rugby nation to already be recognised as a top 14 world, you know, for the last five years consistently, that's the way we are positioned, is already huge achievement for Carlin and his team-mates. But, you know, for us and for them and for the boys, it's about delivering and trying to do the job in Tokyo. And that's the challenge. That's what drives Carlin and the boys every single day to get better, to ensure and give us the best opportunity to represent the people of America in the way that they think they should be represented. You know, full stadiums, I mean, they seem a million miles away at the moment, but that would-- you know, that just brings the hairs on the back of your neck up. And hopefully loved ones in the stadiums watching or if not, knowing that they're watching on the TV will be a huge driver for all of the boys as they strive to try and make history.
|RUPERT COX| If Carlin Isles and the USA sevens team, men's or women's for that matter, can win a gold medal in Tokyo, that's a game changer. Every athlete in America aspires to be an Olympian and to be an Olympic champion. And if they can go to Tokyo and Carlin can help them win a gold medal, he'll be a superstar in the States. And it will completely awaken this sleeping giant that is there in America when it comes to rugby. They've already become one of the best teams in the world. But if they can go to Tokyo and win an Olympic medal, rugby will explode in America and Carlin will be right at the heart of that.
|NICK BRIGHT| Commentator Rupert Cox there. One thing's for sure, whatever happens next in the story of Carlin Isles, he's already proved that dreams can come true.
|CARLIN ISLES| Whatever's meant for you in your heart, regardless of how it may look to the outside or even to yourself at the present, it's meant for you and nothing can stop you unless you allow it to. But in order to obtain it, you must put in the work and chop that wood to keep that fire lit, because if you stop chopping the wood and you let the fire go dim, then you'll lose it. And most people would, because the circumstances or it's taking too long, so they stop. So you got to keep moving forward. You got to keep your eye on the objective regardless of whatever comes at your life. Because at the end of the day, if you keep your eye on the objective, when the sun finally shines, you'll be exactly where you need to be.
|NICK BRIGHT| The incredible inspirational Carlin Isles there. If you'd like to discover more, you can follow him on social media @CarlinIsles and head over to RedBull.com for the latest news, videos and features with the likes of Carlin and loads more inspiring athletes too. If you like what we're bringing you on Beyond the Ordinary, you guys know the drill. Drop a rating and review and hit that Subscribe button so you don't miss any of the upcoming episodes. We'll be going behind the scenes of a whole host of sports and events that you may not know much about, but you will do after this, as well as bringing you some special episodes that look at one person's extraordinary journey just like this one with Carlin. So until then, thank you very much for listening. And we'll catch you on the next one. Stay safe. Take care.
